My Two Cents About Personal Banking in Sweden

Bank Vault

Bank Vault. Photo by Jonathunder (CC BY 3.0)

I was going to write a post about the complexities of Swedish personal banking but then I noticed that Kate (the previous Expat blogger) wrote on this very subject a few months ago. She wrote about how advanced the Swedish personal banking system is. I have to agree with her, it’s pretty cool and sophisticated but it’s only now that I am starting to understand how to access my money and pay bills. Up until lately, I have found it rather frustrating.

Kate wrote “Internet culture defines the world of personal finance here. You do everything with your online banking site, from paying bills to sending money to friends to authorizing governmental forms. And you do it all with a little instrument called the “dosa” (due-sah).”

I had never heard the word “dosa” because my bank calls it a “kortläsare” (card reader). I thought at first that the word Kate used was a regional word, one that they use down in Skåne, where she lived before she moved back to the US. But my friends here in Stockholm said the word is also used here. Guess I just never heard it.

The card reader is given to you by the bank when you open your account. It’s a small gizmo that you insert a card into, with a numerical keyboard and a USB cord. It’s about the size of a small cell phone, only thinner.

Bank card reader

My bank card reader. Photo by K.Lund

 

Online Banking
As Kate pointed out, everything is done online here. The fax machine and paper checks are things of the past; all paychecks are paid directly into bank accounts; and I rarely even see people play cash for anything anymore. Even the person in front of me buying a soda at 7-11 for 20 kronor is most likely to use her debit card. You even pay back your friends for that night on the town by sending money directly from your account to theirs.

Kate thought it easy to use the card reader to conduct banking transactions. For my part, only recently has it finally become easy for me to do this. This, after 10 or so months of frustration at not understanding how to access my own money.

Confusion
Here’s what’s confusing: You have both your bank debit card and a special bank card that goes in the card reader. Sometimes you use the latter in the card reader and sometimes the former. To access your account on a computer, you need to follow a number of steps. You don’t just casually log in online but must also use the card reader and the special bank card to prove that you have the right to access your account. It’s all in the name of security and I am grateful my money is safe but…it just feels like it is sometimes safe from me as well.

To start the process for accessing my bank account (I imagine different banks have slight variations), I go to my bank’s internet site. Then I enter my Swedish personal number. Kate noted that this is “a 12-digit number equivalent to a Social Security number.”

Except that sometimes it’s not.

Sometimes the personal number, which starts with the year you were born is written with the century numbers (for most of you readers, I am assuming it is “19” and sometimes it is not. In other words, sometimes it is a 10-digit number and sometimes it is a 12-digit number. I find that 50% of the time it isn’t clear when entering your personal number how many digits they want and you have to rely on trial and error. My bank wants to have 12 digits.

So…I navigate to my bank’s website. Then it asks me whether I am going to use my card reader with or without a USB cord attaching it to the computer. Tech Support has explained to me the different numerous times the impact this has—something to do with how much functionality you can affect once you are allowed onto the site—but I never seem to fully understand. No matter. I tell the site that I am going to use the card reader wirelessly.

I enter my personal number on the website. The website generates a code. I enter the code in the card reader. The card reader asks for my bank card code (this is different from my debit card code. Whah! Then the card reader generates a response code that I must enter onto the website, after pressing a special “login” button on the card reader.)

And finally…I am onto the bank’s website and can see my account. On the website I can enter payees that I can then pay from either the website or from my cell phone if I approve that functionality for that payee.

Kate wrote that she likes there being “no password to remember, which I like because I tend to forget them. I know it sounds stupid, but I have two bank accounts in the US, one in Sweden, two Social Security numbers, two blogs, a credit card, and four email addresses. I get confused.”

Maybe her bank had a different process than mine (though they sound similar) but I find there are a whole lot of pin codes, etc. to remember and one must remember which code goes to which card. This requires more brain cells than I usually have available while trying to pay a bill!

Wait! What’s my password again?
It’s a different process when you pay for something with your debit card online. There you must also bring out the card reader but use your debit card in it instead of the special bank card. The codes are different and instead of using the “login button on the card reader, you use the “buy” button to confirm that you are authorized to make a purchase. The bank is ensuring that you are the debit card’s owner and can rightfully make your purchase.

So…now I understand how to use the dosa or card reader and I can access my bank account and pay for things online. It’s a relief. I am grateful for the bank’s security of my account. It’s interesting to remember that it was quite challenging for quite some time to understand how to make it work….

 

  • No thank you

    The cause with the bank sometimes asking for a 10 digit number and sometimes for a 12 digit number has to do with that some ore all banks are changing from 10 digits to 12 digits.

    The reason for that is that those who is born 2000-01-01 ore later are going to have the same number as the ones still possible living who was born 1900-01-01. albeit the chance are slight the reason are still the same and since the Swedish population keep getting older and older more and more people would had have the possibility to have the same personal-number if not for the first two digits in 1900 and 2000

    • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

      Ah! I did not realize the reason. Makes sense. The only thing I find is that sites often don’t specify whether they want 10 digits or 12. Then it’s just trial and error. Thanks for teaching me something.

      • cynic

        I am born here and I have the sme problem. Not just with Banks, many Swedish institution is to lazy to write if they want 12 or 10 digit .

        • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

          Yup. I’m surprised they aren’t more specific…

    • cynic

      Actually someoen born 2000-01-01 have the personanl number 000101-xxxx while someone born 1900-01-01 have 000101+xxxx. Since when they constructed the system they did think about the fact that people can live beyond 100 years and so the “-” becomes a “+” they year you become 100.
      Sadly banks, coporations and govermnet agencies was to lazy and shortsighted to adopt systems that could actually handle both + and – , since that was so few 100 years or above anyway. Thats the shortsightness we all have to suffer for now

      Although the constructers of the system ddidn’t think about teh downisde of the – to + change, all your IDs becomes sudenly invalid since they no longer have your peronalnumber on them on the first of January the year you turn 100. Guess the use of ID cards was somewhat less essential in the 1940-ties

  • Martin355

    That sounds more complicated than the system I use (my bank is SEB). I have a tiny “dosa” with just 11 buttons, no card, and no USB cord.

    • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

      Hmmm…yours does sound simpler. I have heard, come to think of it, that my bank has one of the most complicated systems. I am not allowed to use names here since I am writing for the government. However, in my bank’s defense, they were willing to give me an account when no one else would (due to my lack of a personal number for a number of months when I first moved to Sweden.)

      • cynic

        A Swedish bank that let their staff take decisions on branch level instead on only following policy from HQ and are more cautious (and slower) about IT-solutions than other Swedish banks. (Last I checked they was the only bank in Sweden using a list of use-once login, but that was 4 years ago.)
        That description fits precisly one of the major Swedish banks :) I hear they now are the growing fast in UK .

        • Janerowena

          I am in the uk and have the same system as martin and cynic. I suppose my bank changed to it about 4 years ago and I still deeply resent having to remember all those numbers and not lose the tiny black machine. My husband has the same system as you, and his bank changed to it about 8 years ago, maybe more. The few times I have pressed in the wrong numbers I have really panicked, I hate it! I know exactly what you mean about it being safe from yourself. However, I had my banking identity stolen at least three times before I had the card.

          • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

            Hmmm….I guess getting your identity stolen is worse than having to learn how to use the car reader. It just seems ridiculous while using the thing but it’s less ridiculous to think that it is protecting my identity…

        • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

          I am really starting to get the point that there is a vast difference between banks…

      • ATLas

        I have nordea and I also have a Kortläsare. I think I got a cord too, but I’ve never used it. The pin code I need to enter is the card’s pin code, as well as a generated number from the login screen.

    • cynic

      Same her and have have Swebank.
      Only thing to remember is the 4 number PIN to the “dosa” and when I should use APP1 (for getting a code to login with) or APP2 (to enter a number from the screen to get a number to confirm transactions with).

  • http://twitter.com/Senchaholic Senchaholic

    I have Skandiabanken, and I use my iphone to verify my login with Mobilt Bank ID. I enter my personal number and pin code on the web page, and I’m asked to open the Mobilt Bank ID app. Just a second after it’s started, it shows that Skandiabanken wants me to verify myself, so I enter another pin code with more digits, the app transfers some data, and then the web page refreshes and I’m logged in. I also sign all my payments with Mobilt Bank ID on my iphone.

    I had a “dosa” before, and it was easy but still, I had to bring that around all the time. I always have my mobile around, or my ipad. (you can have a maximum of two certificates installed for Mobilt Bank ID, so I have one on my iphone and one on my ipad). As an extra plus, Skandiabanken doesn’t charge anything for the internet banking.

    • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

      Hmmmm, thanks for the information. It is a pain having to have the dosa all the time.

  • http://twitter.com/Senchaholic Senchaholic

    A “dosa” with sladd, that’s Handelsbanken. Yeah, I’ve always found them to be messy. :P

    • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

      Thankfully, most of the time I don’t have to use the cord. That is just for accessing certain functions on the website.

  • Monica-USA

    Wow, Kristin sounds like a lot of steps to get through just to pay a bill?! It must be a little bit weird not using cash or even a check now that you are in Sweden? Thanks for the story and good luck.

    • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

      Thanks for posting, Monica.

  • Russell

    This sounds horrible!!! What do you think drives the necessity for this kind of security? We seem to get by pretty well without this in the states.

    • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

      Yeah, it is interesting that this isn’t deemed necessary there. Why? It’s not like the banking is any safer in the States. It can’t be safe to have just the 3 digit code on the back of the physical card?

      • cynic

        Well, the numbers of identy theft and credit card fraud seem to be a bit higher in the US. But it is a considderably lower risk (and thus priority) for the Banks since the burden of proof is on the indivudal and not the Bank the opposite is true in Sweden so of course the Banks are more carefull.
        IMHO in Sweden the bank have to pay up unless they can show it was you or somoen having information you must have given them on purpose or by gross neglect, as far as I know in the US banks only have to pay if you can show that it wasn’t you or someone you gave the card to (although indivual banks have more genrous policies). So naturally Swedish Banks is more interested in protecting their money than US bank is of protection your money.

        • Russell

          Actually, it depends on the issuing bank’s policy for the card, but for the most part it is really easy to get reimbursed for a fraudulent credit purchase. You just call and let the bank know. The bank then pushes the liability back onto the party making the charge. So perhaps Sweden’s policy is more friendly towards businesses, as they don’t have to defend chargebacks. It sounds more burdensome for consumers though. Interesting how these small laws end up affecting culture in different ways.

  • S Terzian-Feliz

    I would still worry about identity theft, and what would happen to me is that I would be the only person unable to access my accounts or make online purchases. I think you are most brave.

    • cynic

      Since someone need the “dosa” and the code to do s, unless you carlessly keep the code at home you have to have someone breaking n to get your “dosa” and somewhat get you to tell him/her the code. Not very likely, the risk of someon getting your credit card and just forg your signature must be considerably higher.

      • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

        Too true.

    • http://blogs.sweden.se/work/ Kristin Lund

      Hmmm…is one still brave when they have no choice? Still, it sounds like some banks make it easier than others and I have a bank who is very conservative when it comes to security. It’s a fine line between good security and not being able to get to your own money, though. Thanks for commenting. :)